The Tithing Debate Links

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TOPIC: 

The mandate of God with regards to giving 10% cannot be done as commanded by God in the Bible in today’s time. – specifically in the church governance”

AFFIRMATIVE SIDE: Surewin Saul— TINK/ Totoong Iglesia ni Kristo

NEGATIVE SIDE: Carl Cortez— UPCI

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The Debate Format

Affirmative and Negative Presentations

Affirmative Cross-Examination Questions to Negative Presentation and Negative Answers

Negative Cross-Examination Questions to Affirmative Presentation (1-6 Questions)

Negative Cross Examination was derailed due to negative unacceptance to moderator ruling. The above link details what happened with screenshots as proofs, how he quarreled with the moderator, how he disrespected their ruling, how he showed his pharisee syndrome.

Negative Question 1 and my answer.

The question was about providing 3 verses to back up my claim that God’s mandate in regards to 10% cannot be done in today’s time and, 3 scholars that collaborate with my claim. Check out my answer above!

Negative Question 2 and my answer.

The question was about, what have I understood to what Dr. Morely words where it says that nowhere does the new testament require Christian to tithe but it does reiterate many things associated with tithing pointing to 1 Cor 9:14. Check out my answer above!

Negative Question 3 and my answer.

The question was about whether “autorotative order, command or commanding” which I pick as one of the meanings of mandate can be of complete thoughts. Check out my answer above!

Negative Question 4 and my answer.

The question was about whether Mandate and Commandment have the meaning and use. Check out my answer above!

Negative Question 5 and my answer.

The question was about whether I can find government calls and decree, ordinances or rules and approved resolution that uses the term “commandment”. Check out my answer above!

Negative Question 6 and my answer.

The question was about what have I understood about the context of Deut 14:24-26 in parallel to the house of God in the new testament. Check out my answer above!

Negative Question 7 and my answer.

The question was about, how will I rephrase my presentation using my admission in his question 5 that he may be partly correct when he said that the term “mandate” should not be linked to God. Check out my answer above!

Negative Question 8 and my answer.

The question was about why I emphasize Preachers and not Pastors as workers and laborers in reference to 1 Cor 9:14. Check our my answer above!

Negative Question 9 and my answer.

The question was about what have I understood on church governance as applied in today’s time. Check out my answer above!

Negative Question 10,11 and my answers.

Question 10 was about who do I think are the members of church governance and, question 11 was about what do I think the primary purpose of tithing in the old testament as far as the house of God and servants of God are concerned. Check out my answers above!

Negative Question 12 and my answer.

The question was about, what to me is the economic value of crops today to sustain the house of God and God’s servants serving in the house of God. Check out my answers above!

Negative Question 13 and my answer

The question was about where the term “spiritual Levites” can be found in the scripture. Check out my answers above!

Negative Question 14 and my answer 

The question was about what type of tithe do I think was mentioned in Deut 14:24-26 and its purpose. Check out my answers above!

Negative Question 15 and my answer

The question was about what is the big difference of (a) OT servants of the house of God compared to (b) servants in the house of God doing full time (24 hours by 7 days a week – conducting Bible studies, holding prayer meetings, meditating and praying at dawn, fasting, community service, jail visitations, preaching, etc) in the present times IN TERMS OF economic needs or as far as basic needs are concerned as of food, clothing, and shelter (and education for their children). Check out my answers above!

Affirmative Rebuttals to Negative Answers.

Rebuttal 1

My question was whether he can provide 3 names of scholars and historians together with their educational background since he includes them in his presentation but, did not provide their details of who were they specifically stating that “it was common for most people to in tens based on ten fingers”. Check out his answer and my rebuttal above!

Rebuttal 2

My question was about whether he can confirm the link source of where he based his conclusion. Check out his answer and my rebuttal above!

Rebuttal 3

My question was for him to quote verses that God commanded or mandated to give 10% specifically with the word “command” and “tithe”. Check out his answer and my rebuttal above!

Rebuttal 4

Since he quoted Matt 23:23 when he said God mandated the 10%, my question was whether the verse said on to WHOM the tithe shall be given in the aspect of the law. Check out his answer and my rebuttal above!

Rebuttal 5

My question was about who were these people to whom he said God mandated the 10% to provide for their needs, specifically requiring him to answer with a verse that contains the subject on to WHO God gives the mandate to provide for their needs. Check out his answer and my rebuttal above!

Rebuttal 6

My question was about whether living by the gospel is the same as living by the 10% or tithe in reference to 1 Cor 9:14. Check out his answer and my rebuttal above!

Rebuttal 7

My question was about whether he imitate the apostles in particular to what he has done on his right for support? Check out his answer and my rebuttal above!

Rebuttal 8

My question was whether he can provide proof that their non-profit institution by-laws really say what he claimed in his presentation that it IMPOSE and MANDATE its constituents to obey in particular to giving the 10%. IMPOSE which means FORCE is quite a strong term to be used by a non-profit legal entity. Check out his answer and my rebuttal above!

Rebuttal 9

My question was about knowing what have they amended or change specifically to Mal 3:10 – spoken by God Himself since his presentation was in the premise that it can be changed. Check out his answer and my rebuttal above!

Rebuttal 10

My question was about whether 1 Cor 9:14 though it says that Preachers receive commandment to live by the Gospel, did the verse also said that in order for preachers to live by the Gospel, non-preachers (congregants) in relation to 1 Cor 9:14 also were commanded to give 10% so that Preacher may live by the gospel. Check out his answer and my rebuttal above!

Rebuttals 11,12, & 13

My question 11 was to confirm whether their BY-LAW as submitted to SEC really use the word IMPOSE which means FORCE and mandate it’s constituents to give 10% of their income.

My question 12 was whether it is really legal for a NON-PROFIT organization to FORCE its constituents to give their 10% income.

My question 13 was about whether documents like UPCI manual even just the draft of it where policies and by-laws are written really need to be requested first before it can be publicized.

Check out his answer and my rebuttal above!

Rebuttal 14

Since his presentation says that it was common practice in the ancient world from Greece to China, my question was whether there were others like Melchizedek in other places from Greece to China so that, it was common to give 10% to the likes of him who were recorded to have no beginning nor end of life. Check out his answer and my rebuttal above!

Rebuttal 15

Since his presentation was in the premise that tithe under the law can be amended as it is not an affixed law, my question was about who is he – a mere man to amend or change GOD’s commandment about the 10%. Check out his answer and my rebuttal above!

Affirmative Conclusion

The Pharisee Syndrome in Display. Check out the link above


1 Response to The Tithing Debate Links

  1. Pingback: The Pharisee Syndrome in Display- The Debate Conclusion | Bible Exposition (TINK)

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